Water is Life

FountainBut we are wasting it…I have been working on a thread on the Internations site:

https://www.internations.org/forum/thread/4460461

Here is what we write about there, and water is a topic we have discussed:

For years we have been in a war on misinformation. The misinformation about our radically changing climate is now being exposed. If you do not believe it, it just has not effected you personally yet. The problems are here now, people are dying now, crops are beginning to fail now. What can we do, what are you doing, what is the plan in your community?

So far we have discussed these topics:

Arctic Sea Ice/Antarctica Glaciers
Artificial Intelligence
Building sustainable infrastructure
Climate change and what causes it
Climate change and health implications
Climate Change Refugees
CO2
Current extreme weather events around the world
Desalination of sea water
Earth Day
Economic inequality and how that effects the efforts to halt climate change
Energy consumption/storage
Extinction Rebellion
Food production and consumption
Food and water shortages
Forms of energy production and energy innovations
Fossil Fuel Industry
Greenland Ice Sheet/Sea Level Rise
Individual efforts to change
Innovations
Investing in sustainable industries
Impact of climate change on financial sectors
Impact of climate change on indigenous populations
Impact of climate change on animal and plant species
IPCC Report
Mass extinction of animal species
Melting of Glaciers
Methane Gas and Melting Perma-Frost
Methods to reduce carbon emissions
Ocean Acidification
Political will to make necessary change
Problems with plastics in our environment
Public protest around the world regarding the lack of action from governments
Recycling efforts
Reports and Scientific Journals on Climate change
Solar Energy
Urban Greening
Waste and waste management
Water pollution
Wave Energy
Wind Energy
World wide efforts to force government leaders to set environmental policies

This thread has almost 2000 views. Please do use the links provided here to further discuss and research this very important topic. Share your ideas. What is happening where you live?

The week of Earth Day there were protests around the world to draw the attention of government leaders to focus on creating policies and regulations that mitigate the crisis. Notice that these protests have been sustained over many weeks. The urgency is felt all over the world. People are waking up that this is an emergency, a crisis that needs to be faced now, not later in some hazy future.
In addition, April 11th was a very bad day for all concerned about getting and sharing information. The arrest of Julian Assange directly effects news, reports, and information in the public interests – and that includes everything related to the climate crisis.
As we move into another hot summer in the Northern Hemisphere, let us put our government leaders to task about how their policies are going to help people, not only in our own countries, but also in less developed countries struggling to overcome devastating floods, storms, and fires.

Please support your posts with links to information that we can all read and analyze.

Climate Change

For many Indigenous communities climate change is not a distant problem

 

The inability or laziness of people to not take the time and research their sources is killing our ability to act proactively. We are constantly mired in misinformation, diversions, faulty logic, and lies.

From posts on another forum:

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For years we have been in a war on misinformation. The misinformation about our radically changing climate is now being exposed. If you do not believe it, it just has not effected you personally yet. The problems are here now, people are dying now, crops are beginning to fail now. What can we do, what are you doing, what is the plan in your community?

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“N” Post:

How much colder would North America, Russia and Europe be without a warmer planet?..
But seriously, nothing can change the fact the IPCC is on record as saying global warming will produce milder, warmer winters. 🤔
The opposite seems true…

Renee Michel

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Nan, please provide the evidence of your statement. https://www.ipcc.ch/2018/10/08/summary-for-policymakers-of-ipcc-special-report-on-global-warming-of-1-5c-approved-by-governments/ What page?

 

“B” Post:

In Michigan, Hell has literally frozen over!
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-31/polar-vortex-leaves-11-states-colder-north-pole-hell-literally-freezes-over

Some of the comments on that link are quite funny. This one: “Al Gore is not accepting any calls at this time..” And this one: “I’ve finally got it figured out. If it’s colder than normal, it’s weather; and if it’s hotter than normal, it’s climate. What do I win?”

And this one that’s a bit more serious: “Not that I want to push weather doom and gloom, but our current solar minumin has not bottomed out yet – it will bottom out in 2023 which means more (and colder) polar vortacies till 2023 and then it will cycle slowly back up.”

 

Renee Michel

This thread is not about my opinion, it is about facts from scientists, scientific journals, peer reviewed research papers, scientific organizations, climate experts, and educators. In addition, I have provided information from reputable news sources and organizations. The point is – the climate is changing – it is not an opinion to be argued about, it is real and it is killing people and causing billions of dollars in damage to our infrastructure. The point to discuss is – what are we going to do about it, how are we going to adapt, how are we going to survive, what changes can we make, how are we going to cope?

“N” Post:

Renee, this thread does indeed seem to be about your opinion ( more than half the posts are yours), and whenever anyone disagrees with you or provides evidence to the contrary, you seem to get upset…

 

Renee Michel

Regarding South Africa. https://350africa.org/

Nan, there are exactly three people who pop on and try to turn this thread into an argument denying climate change. I have thanked all other commenters for their contributions and there have been many. V just made excellent points today that brought up the issue of how people get confused. In addition, as per the premise of this thread, I post as many articles and sources as I can. I am retired and have all the time in the world to read, research, and make posts. I try to write a post or two everyday. Almost every time I post something, I have provided a link to the information- so no – it is not all about my personal opinion. It is about sharing information about what we can do about the climate crisis. You made a statement about the IPCC and I asked you to share where you got that information from and provided even the link to the IPCC report. That is not being upset, that is asking you to back up what you stated. Otherwise it is you who are merely stating your opinion. So, are you going to answer? This is a serious thread, not a place to just say stuff without any back up. If we are to share valuable information with the aim of helping people we need to be making sure that information is valid. Regarding “evidence to the contrary”, if someone is trying to post evidence contrary to the premise of this thread, yes, I shut them down. We don’t have time for climate change deniers here. Those people can create their own thread in the forum. To post here, you agree with the premise as stated. Again, we do not have time for denial, too many people are dying. We need to get on with sharing information and finding solutions. For the record, I have many family members in Chicago and in the eastern part of the U.S. The extreme weather is no joke, it is not funny to me. The crazy fires in California this summer were not funny to me. The Climate Crisis, or as some have begun to call it, the Climate Emergency is real, it is dangerous, and it is becoming personal for many people. It is why I created this thread, to try and share what we can do about it.

 

Renee Michel

For people like me who like visuals, here is a good video to explain how the jet stream works : https://youtu.be/AV_FVs8RYxw

 

“N” Post:

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“Snowless winters” forecast by the IPCC in 2001, and countless other doomsday forecasts since global cooling in the 60’s- 70’s, that have not yet eventuated:

https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22289-climate-alarmists-have-been-wrong-about-virtually-everything

I back up everything l say, but you always ignore the links- see, the IPCC continually update their narrative to fit their political agenda.
As your president said: “It’s called weather,” and almost totally governed by solar activity.
He won the last election easily as many of your fellow Americans also overwhelming agree with him on this topic and others…
Ninety odd percent of climate scientists around the world toe the human induced climate change line because they lose their funding and jobs otherwise…
The thing with you alarmists is you want to frighten and shut down any debate because you believe you are right; the ultimate act of arrogance.
So, despite your protestations, the science is FAR from settled…

 

Renee Michel

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Your link: The New American. The New American (TNA) is a print magazine published twice a month by American Opinion Publishing Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of the John Birch Society (JBS), a far-right organization.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-american/
I am very familiar with the John Birch Society. And as I pointed out, so called “climate change deniers” have their source in far-right political organizations.
I have looked at and read every source anyone posts here. And instead of scientific sources for your comments about science, you are posting the John Birch Society.

Scientists around the world are very conservative in their statements. They are very wedded to research and scientific observation. They have been wrong, on that you are correct. But on how they have been wrong, you are not correct. Instead of extreme collapse of climate systems happening in a century, it is happening within the decade, it is happening now.
This thread is not based on political ideology. The premise was set, this thread is not about opinion, it is about what is happening to our climate and suggestions on how we might prepare and cope with it.
The man currently president is not “my president” and far from being a scientist, he has been called out for not knowing the difference between weather and climate. These are things taught in elementary school science, of which I know a lot about because I taught science for 27 years.
This is obviously the wrong thread for you to comment in and you are more than welcome to create a thread for climate change denial.

Again: This thread is not about my opinion, it is about facts from scientists, scientific journals, peer reviewed research papers, scientific organizations, climate experts, and educators. In addition, I have provided information from reputable news sources and organizations. The point is – the climate is changing – it is not an opinion to be argued about, it is real and it is killing people and causing billions of dollars in damage to our infrastructure. The point to discuss is – what are we going to do about it, how are we going to adapt, how are we going to survive, what changes can we make, how are we going to cope?

 

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2018/07/SR15_SPM_High_Res.pdf Referenced, data driven, scientific- the original documentation to read yourself.

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2018/10/ipcc-report-climate-change-impacts-forests-emissions/ A summary of IPCC report.

 

01 Feb at 08:19 |

“N” Post:

…don’t shoot the messenger, they’re just reporting the documented facts- none of what was reported was fictional…
And as for the “far right organisations,” (sounds very conspirational itself!), if it’s OK for yourself to continually quote left wing sources, l reserve my right to quote your so- called far right “organisations .”
Good luck to your president…
P.S: if you in fact taught science for as long as you say, you would not deny the sun is the major driving factor in climate…
Again, this thread IS about your opinions, and anyone who differs from them is belittled, much like the left do in general…

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/25/cold-and-snow-destroy-global-warming-claims/amp/

 

Renee Michel

Regarding the naming of winter storms:
https://m.accuweather.com/en/press/84520

Extreme weather events: Intense, heavy snow storms does not equate to a greater winter snowpack. One must look to the overall measurements of seasonal precipitation.
https://www.iflscience.com/environment/does-global-warming-mean-more-or-less-snow/

https://abc7news.com/weather/2nd-snowpack-measurement-results-for-2018-far-below-average/3018818/
https://m.phys.org/news/2018-12-declining-snowpack-western-finer-scale.html
Link to research paper: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2018GL079621

https://m.phys.org/news/2017-04-impact-climate-snowpack.html
http://medialibrary.climatecentral.org/resources/by-tag/snow+and+ice

 

Renee Michel

More information on the jet stream: https://youtu.be/yObanrslYME

01 Feb at 09:22 | San José

Renee Michel

https://youtu.be/uJYWvnuA9w8 Paul Beckwith teaches in Ottawa and gives short informative videos that explain climate and weather. Here is one about the jet stream. He always provides links to the data so you can study it yourself.

 

Renee Michel

For those of you looking for information that is not biased to the left or the right – this is a good source for a search. You will notice that I have used many of the listed sources in my posts. If I posted a source by a left or even a right leaning source, it was because it was aligned with a **scientific** point of view. Most importantly, statements are backed up with factual data.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pro-science/

ZeroHedge.com is on the https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/conspiracy/ conspiracy-pseudoscience list.
The New American https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-american/ is on the right-biased list.

Why is this important? If we are looking for information about science, information about data and facts – then it makes sense to look at sources that are packed with that sort of information. Then – as someone said – “don’t shoot the messenger” you analyze what is actually said. Yes – in this case – I shoot the messenger.

Here is what is said about Forbes.com – “A factual search reveals that Forbes has produced a misleading claim according to an IFCN fact checker. Although Forbes is usually evidence based when it comes to science, they do not always support the consensus when it comes to climate change. For example, they have employed James Taylor as a columnist who writes anti-climate science propaganda and has connections to the questionable Heartland Institute and Exxon-Mobil. They have also published articles by Roy Spencer, who has a long track record of climate change denial. Spencer has also been a speaker for the Heartland Institute and has connections to the fossil fuel industry. Lastly, Forbes has published several articles that are rated Very Low for Science Credibility by IFCN fact checker Climate Feedback.”
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/forbes/

The statements made were vague with no data to support them. This is what was meant in my very first sentence “For years we have been in a war on misinformation.” I have actually done my own fact checking on James Taylor and Roy Spencer – I did not take mediafactcheck.com at face value. They are right in what they have reported.

So, one has to ask ones self – where do you look for the most factual information on this topic that is so important to our lives?

Once again, someone has posted something about climate change denial and I am not here to waste time arguing the point. However, they continue to prove my point over and over again. When one looks close at climate change denial it always is sourced back to right-leaning think-tanks that are supported by fossil fuel and oil corporations. Why? Because those groups have everything to gain in maintaining the status quo.

Then one has to ask oneself, why would someone come on a thread about climate change, where the premise is clearly stated at the beginning, and write posts that attack or try to debunk the very topic?

https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-internet-trolling-3485891

“Forums: Forums are made for discussing topics with like-minded people, but every once in a while, a troll will come in and start spewing negative words all over the place. If forum moderators don’t ban them, other members will often respond and before you know it, the thread gets thrown completely off topic and becomes nothing but one big pointless argument.”

I have read some other posts in other threads in the Forum and I have witnessed a perfectly great discussion be reduced to nothing but snarky remarks back and forth. I will not let this discussion digress to those depths. I have met numerous people who like reading this one for the information.
So my post today will be all that I will say on the matter. I hope this information will help everyone in looking for factual unbiased data. The three people who are acting like trolls are welcome to join this discussion if they contribute to the discussion. Otherwise, I have them on ignore.

 

“Nan”Post:

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Who is going to document and publsh the now long debunked claims and predictions about the global warming hoax ? Certainly not the majority left leaning media outlets, so when a right leaning medium publishes documented events, you want to re- write history by denying it ever happened, or at best, simply ignore it. All sounds very 1984 to me…
A good read for you if you are a science teacher: Heaven And Earth by Professor Ian Plimer; or if you prefer not to read: The Great Global Warming Swindle documentary ( lauded by CNN and Washington Times, BTW )…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/11/29/climategate-ii-more-smoking-guns-from-the-global-warming-establishment/amp/

 

Renee Michel

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https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Ian_Plimer

So my post today will be all that I will say on the matter. I hope this information will help everyone in looking for factual unbiased data. The three people who are acting like trolls are welcome to join this discussion if they contribute to the discussion. Otherwise, I have them on ignore.

For a reminder – The premise of this discussion is: For years we have been in a war on misinformation. The misinformation about our radically changing climate is now being exposed. If you do not believe it, it just has not effected you personally yet. The problems are here now, people are dying now, crops are beginning to fail now. What can we do, what are you doing, what is the plan in your community?

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This is only a small sample of what the social media discussion is on climate change. Notice the person never answered where the IPCC comment is in the report. I do not think they even read the report – they get all of their information from a right-wing news rag. And this is the problem. Instead of taking the time to read the report for themselves, people are led around by opinion articles in corporate owned news outlets.Those corporations do not want anyone to change. So, we have a stagnation on critical action and people trying to argue that there is no such thing as climate change while Australia burns and the poles melt and the eastern part of the U.S. gets hit with polar temperatures.  The indigenous people of the world know about climate change, they have experienced it and have struggled to adapt. If there is any hope in salvaging anything on this planet, indigenous people know because they have an intimate knowledge of earth’s systems.

 

Looking Ahead

Lakota Law

Lakota Law
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY)
describes her progressive agenda,
including the the Green New Deal

The countdown is on. One week from tomorrow, the Lakota People’s Law Project will proudly join the Indigenous Peoples March in Washington, D.C. While we’re there, Phyllis Young will join me and the rest of our delegation in meetings with lawmakers on Capitol Hill to discuss next steps for Indigenous participation in the Green New Deal.

If you’re near the D.C. area or can make the trip, we invite you to join us and march for the rights of Indigenous people everywhere. Even if you can’t make it, you can still RSVP and/or purchase merchandise to show your solidarity and support the movement.

In the meantime, it’s critical that we continue to spread the word about the Green New Deal and the need for Indigenous wisdom and leadership. If you haven’t yet, please send an email to your representatives urging their support. And if you have, please share the letter using the social media buttons below so we can increase the pressure on Washington in advance of our trip!

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Our march is also being supported by the organizers of the women’s march, who will hit the streets the following day. I can’t wait to share the results of our actions with you once we return home. We are building partnerships and coalitions that have so much potential to create meaningful change.

Now is the time to ensure that Native voices are heard loud and clear in the streets of Washington and the halls of power. Following a year when we elected a record number of women — including our first two Native congresswomen — your help is critical to ensure they have all the support they need to enact a truly progressive agenda informed by the traditional knowledge of America’s First Nations.

Wopila — As always, we are grateful for your solidarity!

Chase Iron Eyes
Lead Counsel
Lakota People’s Law Project

P.S. 2019 is off to an exciting start, with so many opportunities for you to empower equal justice for Native people, women, and the earth we all share — either by marching or supporting from afar. Please continue to spread the word about an Indigenous-influenced Green New Deal through your networks, and stay tuned for an exciting progress report when we return from Washington!

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2018

Information: The important lesson I learned for 2018 is to always analyze the website (who owns it) the author (who are they) and the history of both to discover where the money is. In addition, Wikipedia is a very manipulated source for information. I use it to get an idea of the manipulations rather than factual information. One thing I found very informative is to click on the history tab of a Wikipedia article. There I can see the contributors and when they posted. Even more interesting is to check out the contributors. I found it very interesting to see an article about climate change edited by someone with no scientific background. We cannot be lazy when it comes to getting accurate information.

https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/10/07/gareth-owen/

This guy edits Hillary Clinton’s Wiki page. – Keeps it clean of anything negative.

News: David Blackmon is an independent energy analyst/consultant based in Mansfield, TX. David has enjoyed a 39-year career in the oil and gas industry, the last 23 years of which were spent in the public policy arena, managing regulatory and legislative issues for various companies, including Burlington Resources, Shell, El Paso Corporation, FTI Consulting and LINN Energy.

So, his article would of course be biased in favor of the oil industry.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2018/10/09/anti-pipeline-activists-play-a-cynical-costly-game/#2f80515333be

More about:

http://www.polluterwatch.com/david-blackmon

Climate Change:

https://projectearth.us/what-90-000-indigenous-people-have-to-say-about-climate-1796423890

Indigenous people around the world have had to deal with climate change for many centuries. They are a vital source of knowledge about our climate crisis.

https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/blog/2017/11/indigenous-peoples-knowledge-wisdom-valuable-to-climate-adaptation-peruvian-activists-say/

Plan, Prepare, and Resist for 2019

Indian Country Today Latest News

https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/

“Red Fawn Fallis was sentenced to 57 months in federal prison Wednesday for possession of a firearm and civil disorder

 

Water Protector Legal Collective stands by Red Fawn and we call on Water Protectors and community members to continue to support her through this difficult time. Please follow her Support Committee website for information on how to write to her and be in solidarity with her as she serves her prison time.”

News Update: April 2018

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https://www.lakotalaw.org/resources/legal-update-from-chase-iron-eyes-attorneys

Chase Iron Eyes and Family

Thank you for your support throughout what has been both an exciting and a trying year. After yesterday, we have much reason for optimism. Yesterday was a good energy day. I am now absolutely sure we can win this fight in the end, and we are winning this fight now.

Ruling on several important issues in court yesterday, Judge Lee Christofferson admonished prosecutors for withholding key evidence, set deadlines for them to furnish that evidence to my legal team, reaffirmed our right to collect additional evidence from militarized DAPL security firm TigerSwan, and extended the timeline of my trial to November. This is all tremendous news and my heart is filled with hope.

My case, and HolyElk’s, are truly unique. No other water protectors have been granted the right to pursue this scope of evidence. We aren’t playing it safe, but I wouldn’t have it any other way. You can watch the video to see our legal team discuss yesterday’s hearing’s monumental outcomes.

I will be clear that, even with all the positive outcomes, our fight is not without serious challenges. The forces mobilized against us continue to stand their ground more strongly than ever, as evidenced by Morton County Sheriff Kyle Kirchmeier’s testimony yesterday, under oath, denying TigerSwan’s influence over the policing at Standing Rock.

Even so, we had a great moment in court when, under cross examination by our chief counsel, Daniel Sheehan, Sheriff Kirchmeier admitted that attendance records of law enforcement meetings not only exist, but show that three TigerSwan employees (whose names he conveniently forgot) attended those meetings regularly.

With our now-confirmed ability to aggressively pursue these records, and with the judge’s stern warning to prosecution and the sheriff that he will “vigorously enforce” our right to them, the pieces are falling into place. The sheriff has until May 1 to give us all we’ve asked for.

Our beautiful battle began in the camps of Standing Rock and now echoes in the courtrooms of North Dakota. We’ll prove that law enforcement colluded with TigerSwan and pipeline parent company Energy Transfer Partners. We’ll show that they ran a violent, racist, no-holds-barred campaign against our prayerful circle.

The coming months promise much hard work as our team collects evidence and builds our landmark defense that can protect our rights to free speech and protest into the future. I ask that you continue to stand with us by sharing our exciting news with your friends and relatives. Let’s keep the circle strong. We have much to do.

Pilamaya – Thank you for standing with us!

Chase Iron Eyes
Lead Counsel
Lakota People’s Law Project

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March Events

The interview about the Wounded Knee Memorial can be seen at: https://virtualoutworlding.blogspot.com/2018/02/2018-edu-massacre-at-wounded-knee.html

Latest News Links:

https://nativenewsonline.net/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/13/standing-rock-sioux-tribe-sues-24-opioid-industry-/

New garbage from Hillary Clinton: Funny, I never saw her anywhere near Standing Rock…

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told an overseas audience this week that her 2016 election loss came at the hands of “backwards”-looking voters who “didn’t like black people getting rights” or women in the workplace.

Talk of FBI investigations and secret email servers was not on the agenda Monday in Mumbai, India, as the author of “What Happened” explained, once again, why President Trump occupies the White House.

Mrs. Clinton blamed racists and sexists with an acute hatred for black people. She also cited racism against Indians in her explanation to an Indian audience.

“His whole campaign: ‘Make America Great Again’ was looking backwards,” she told attendees at India Today: Conclave 2018. “You know, ‘You didn’t like black people getting rights? You don’t like women, you know, getting jobs? You don’t want to, you know, see that Indian American succeeding more than you are? Whatever your problem is — I’m going to solve it.”

The remarks were posted online by the GOP War Room YouTube channel and blasted as “dismissing America’s Heartland to a foreign audience.”

from: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/12/hillary-clinton-overseas-trump-won-backwards-voter/

The State of the Union

Try to Google anything about the latest news on the Dakota Access Pipeline.

Screenshot-2018-1-29 Dakota Acess Pipeline Protest - Google Search

Interesting set of search words…

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/shailene-woodley-marie-claire-uk-interview_us_59a84ecee4b010ca289b3333?utm_hp_ref=dakota-access-pipeline

 

It is like the news stopped in 2017. Here is the most recent article I found.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/rights-protesters/standing-rock-protest-groups-sued-dakota-access-pipeline-company